The committee met today at 2:00 to see the ranked candidates with complete applications who will be sent to the BOT. The top candidates are: Cantor, Cummiskey, Fettrow, Hafner, Holdnak, Kibler, Martin, Meadows, Nevious, and Spraggs.
One community member strongly urged the group to make the recommendation of using an outside search firm. She stated that too many of the applicants had inadequate experiences for the job. After much discussion, 14 on the committee voted to present this recommendation to the board as well as the list of names.
College members made many comments and shared information about several applicants. These comments were well received as well as surprising to other committee members.
The Board of Trustees meets on Monday, Dec. 3, at 5:00 to receive the list as well as the recommendation from Mr. Conner.
Friday, November 30, 2007
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
At last night's Board of Trustee's meeting someone in attendance asked me to post the complete list of applicants - qualified, non-qualified, with complete application packages as well as incomplete application packages. Here it is (as of November 26, 2007):
Thirty-four complete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Simon Priest
2. Dr. Alan G. Phillips
3. Dr. Jeffrey A. Cantor
4. Dr. Rodger A. Bates
5. Dr. Frank R. Vivelo
6. Dr. K. K. Bentil
7. Dr. Gregory W. Gray (withdrew from consideration)
8. Dr. Raymond Cummiskey
9. Dr. David Mosby
10. Dr. Mary R. Vaughn
11. Dr. James E. Martin
12. Dr. June Linke (packet is complete – not qualified)
13. Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor
14. Dr. Charles E. Meadows
15. Dr. Diann Schindler
16. Dr. Lawrence Cox
17. Dr. William A. Nevious
18. Dr. Jan Gehler
19. Dr. Laurence D. Spraggs
20. Dr. John R. Holdnak
21. Dr. Dennis Harkins
22. Dr. Lars A. Hafner
23. Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow
24. Dr. Daniel A. Bain (packet is complete – not qualified)
25. Dr. Maurice B. Hickey
26. Dr. Howard W. Smith
27. Dr. Terrance Hitchcock (packet is complete – not qualified)
28. Dr. Bruce Brunson
29. Dr. Alan Roberts
30. Dr. Douglas M. Littles
31. Dr. William L. Kibler
32. Dr. Hamid Eydgahi
33. Dr. Eric W. Jackson
34. Dr. William J. Mariani
Eleven incomplete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Pamella J. Dana
2. Dr. Brian Sutcliffe
3. Mr. Ken Golaszewski
4. Dr. Frank Williams
5. Dr. Martin Shapiro
6. Dr. Lewis L. Jones
7. Dr. Tricia Devin
8. Dr. Thomas C. Henry (no application materials received)
Thirty-four complete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Simon Priest
2. Dr. Alan G. Phillips
3. Dr. Jeffrey A. Cantor
4. Dr. Rodger A. Bates
5. Dr. Frank R. Vivelo
6. Dr. K. K. Bentil
7. Dr. Gregory W. Gray (withdrew from consideration)
8. Dr. Raymond Cummiskey
9. Dr. David Mosby
10. Dr. Mary R. Vaughn
11. Dr. James E. Martin
12. Dr. June Linke (packet is complete – not qualified)
13. Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor
14. Dr. Charles E. Meadows
15. Dr. Diann Schindler
16. Dr. Lawrence Cox
17. Dr. William A. Nevious
18. Dr. Jan Gehler
19. Dr. Laurence D. Spraggs
20. Dr. John R. Holdnak
21. Dr. Dennis Harkins
22. Dr. Lars A. Hafner
23. Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow
24. Dr. Daniel A. Bain (packet is complete – not qualified)
25. Dr. Maurice B. Hickey
26. Dr. Howard W. Smith
27. Dr. Terrance Hitchcock (packet is complete – not qualified)
28. Dr. Bruce Brunson
29. Dr. Alan Roberts
30. Dr. Douglas M. Littles
31. Dr. William L. Kibler
32. Dr. Hamid Eydgahi
33. Dr. Eric W. Jackson
34. Dr. William J. Mariani
Eleven incomplete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Pamella J. Dana
2. Dr. Brian Sutcliffe
3. Mr. Ken Golaszewski
4. Dr. Frank Williams
5. Dr. Martin Shapiro
6. Dr. Lewis L. Jones
7. Dr. Tricia Devin
8. Dr. Thomas C. Henry (no application materials received)
Wednesday, November 21, 2007
ADDRESSING THE BOARD AT MEETINGS
To address the the BOT, follow the procedures outlined in the PJC Policy Manual 6Hx20-1.002.
(k) Individuals or organizations wishing to present requests, problems, or
proposals to the Board shall submit their requests to be placed on the
agenda for a regular meeting of the Board. Such requests shall be
made in writing to the President with a brief statement of the purpose
not later than ten (10) days prior to the regular Board meeting date.
The Board will meet Tuesday, November 27 and again in a special session on December 3.
(k) Individuals or organizations wishing to present requests, problems, or
proposals to the Board shall submit their requests to be placed on the
agenda for a regular meeting of the Board. Such requests shall be
made in writing to the President with a brief statement of the purpose
not later than ten (10) days prior to the regular Board meeting date.
The Board will meet Tuesday, November 27 and again in a special session on December 3.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. BRENDA S. FETTROW HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. LARS A. HAFNER HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. Lars A. Hafner.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. JOHN R. HOLDNAK HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. John R. Holdnak.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. CHARLES E. MEADOWS HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. Charles E. Meadows.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. JAMES E. MARTIN HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. James E. Martin.
POST A COMMENT ON DR. MARY R. VAUGHN HERE
This is where you can make comments about Dr. Mary R. Vaughn.
POST A COMMENT ON DR. RAYMOND CUMMISKEY HERE
This is where you can post comments about Dr. Raymond Cummiskey.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. JEFFREY A. CANTOR
This is where you can make comments about Dr. Jeffrey A. Cantor.
POST A COMMENT ABOUT DR. K.K. BENTIL HERE
Here is where you can post comments about Dr. K.K. Bentil.
POST A COMMENT ON DR. RODGER A. BATES HERE
This is where you can make comments on Dr. Rodger A. Bates.
MEMBER SUGGESTS USING BLOG TO DEVELOP LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
From a concerned faculty member:
...I had asked if someone would compile a list of questions for the presidential candidates. Perhaps they could be submitted via the blog.....So here is my question:
A long time ago, the cafeteria had a hot-food lunch: two lines for the students, and one line for faculty and staff. We had our own dining room. Being a new teacher and eating lunch with my newfound colleagues, made a profound influence on me as a beginning teacher that PJC was a We-are-in-this-together” type of institution.
Well, the bean counters discovered that the food lines “lost money” and so, did away with them. Clearly, the people involved in this decision, just didn’t get it. It was about this time that the College turned into an Us-and-Them institution and has operated this way for far too long.
So my question to all the presidential candidates is “Do you get it? Do you know how to turn PJC back into a We-are-in-this-together institution?”
...I had asked if someone would compile a list of questions for the presidential candidates. Perhaps they could be submitted via the blog.....So here is my question:
A long time ago, the cafeteria had a hot-food lunch: two lines for the students, and one line for faculty and staff. We had our own dining room. Being a new teacher and eating lunch with my newfound colleagues, made a profound influence on me as a beginning teacher that PJC was a We-are-in-this-together” type of institution.
Well, the bean counters discovered that the food lines “lost money” and so, did away with them. Clearly, the people involved in this decision, just didn’t get it. It was about this time that the College turned into an Us-and-Them institution and has operated this way for far too long.
So my question to all the presidential candidates is “Do you get it? Do you know how to turn PJC back into a We-are-in-this-together institution?”
Tuesday, November 20, 2007
THE APPLICATION LIST FOR THE FIRST VIEWING IS COMPLETE
Here the applicatants from last week:
Dr. William A. Nevious:
June 2007: Hudepohl & Associates
Manchester, NH
Principal, Higher Education Practice
2001 – 2007: Chester College of New England
Chester, NH
President and CEO
Education – Southern Illinois University, Ph.D., Speech Communication
Dr. Jan Gehler:
2005 – 2006: University of Alaska, Anchorage
Anchorage, AK
Interim Provost
2000 – Present: University of Alaska, Anchorage
Anchorage, AK
Dean, Community and Technical College
Education – Oregon State University, Ed.D., Vocational Education
Dr. Laurence D. Spraggs:
2004 – Present: Broome Community College
Binghamton, NY
President
Education – Idaho State University, Doctor of Arts, Biology
Dr. John R. Holdnak:
2001 – Present: Gulf Coast Community College
Panama City, FL
Vice President, Administrative Services and Chief Business Officer
Education – University of West Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Dennis R. Harkins:
1999 – Present: Georgia Perimeter College
Decatur, GA
Provost
Education – Georgia State University, Ph.D., Education HRD
Dr. Lars A. Hafner:
2007 – Present: St. Petersburg College
St. Petersburg, FL
Provost
1998 – 2006: Senior Administrative Manager/Associate Vice President in charge
of the University Partnership Center, Government Relations,
Athletics
Education – Barry University, Ph.D., Higher Education Administration
Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow:
2007 – Present: Brevard Community College
Cocoa, FL
Vice President, Resource Development and Interim Executive
Director, BCC Foundation, Commissioner, SACS Commission on
Colleges
2005-2007: Brevard Community College
Vice President, Student Services
Education – University of Florida, Ed.D., Education
Dr. Daniel A. Bain: (not qualified)
1999 – Present: St. Louis Community College
St. Louis, MO
Director
Education – University of Missouri-St. Louis, Ph.D., Higher Education Leadership and
Policy Studies
Dr. Howard W. Smith:
1996 – Present: Pittsburg State University
Pittsburg, KS
Assistant to the President
Education – Kansas State University, Ph.D., Educational Administration
Dr. Terrance Hitchcock: (not qualified)
2004 – Present: Argosy University (on-line)
Adjunct Instructor
2000 – Present: Everyday Hero
Chairman and CEO
Bloomington, MN
Education – Woodrow Wilson College of Law, J.D., Corporate Law
Dr. Bruce H. Brunson:
1999 – Present: Florida Community College - Jacksonville
Jacksonville, FL
Executive Director, Open Campus
Education – Texas Tech University, Ph.D., Consumer Economics
Dr. Alan P. Roberts:
1989 – Present: Indian River Community College
Fort Pierce, FL
Vice President, Applied Science and Technology
Education – University of Central Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Douglas M. Littles:
2000 – Present: Reid State Technical College
Evergreen, AL
President
Education – Clark Atlanta University, Ph.D., Public Policy
Two incomplete packets were received from:
1. Dr. William L. Kibler:
2004 – Present: Mississippi State University
Mississippi State, MS
Vice President, Student Affairs
Education – Texas A&M University, Ph.D., Educational Administration
2. Dr. William J. Mariani:
2007 – Present: D'Youville College
Buffalo, NY
Associate Professor
1997 – 2007: Erie Community College
President
Education – D'Youville College, Ed.D., Educational Leadership
Summary (as of November 19, 2007)
Thirty complete application packets are on file: (these are in order that the application was received)
1. Dr. Simon Priest
2. Dr. Alan G. Phillips
3. Dr. Jeffrey A. Cantor
4. Dr. Rodger A. Bates
5. Dr. Frank R. Vivelo
6. Dr. K. K. Bentil
7. Dr. Gregory W. Gray (withdrew from consideration)
8. Dr. Raymond Cummiskey
9. Dr. David Mosby
10. Dr. Mary R. Vaughn
11. Dr. James E. Martin
12. Dr. June Linke (packet is complete – not qualified)
13. Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor
14. Dr. Charles E. Meadows
15. Dr. Diann Schindler
16. Dr. Lawrence Cox
17. Dr. William A. Nevious
18. Dr. Jan Gehler
19. Dr. Lawrence D. Spraggs
20. Dr. John R. Holdnak
21. Dr. Dennis Harkins
22. Dr. Lars A. Hafner
23. Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow
24. Dr. Daniel A. Bain (packet is complete – not qualified)
25. Dr. Maurice B. Hickey
26. Dr. Howard W. Smith
27. Dr. Terrance Hitchcock (packet is complete – not qualified)
28. Dr. Bruce Brunson
29. Dr. Alan Roberts
30. Dr. Douglas M. Littles
Eleven incomplete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Pamella J. Dana
2. Dr. Brian Sutcliffe
3. Mr. Ken Golaszewski
4. Dr. Frank Williams
5. Dr. Martin Shapiro
6. Dr. Lewis L. Jones
7. Dr. Tricia Devin
8. Dr. Thomas C. Henry (no application materials received)
9. Dr. Hamid Eydgahi
10. Dr. William L. Kibler
11. Dr. William J. Mariani
Dr. William A. Nevious:
June 2007: Hudepohl & Associates
Manchester, NH
Principal, Higher Education Practice
2001 – 2007: Chester College of New England
Chester, NH
President and CEO
Education – Southern Illinois University, Ph.D., Speech Communication
Dr. Jan Gehler:
2005 – 2006: University of Alaska, Anchorage
Anchorage, AK
Interim Provost
2000 – Present: University of Alaska, Anchorage
Anchorage, AK
Dean, Community and Technical College
Education – Oregon State University, Ed.D., Vocational Education
Dr. Laurence D. Spraggs:
2004 – Present: Broome Community College
Binghamton, NY
President
Education – Idaho State University, Doctor of Arts, Biology
Dr. John R. Holdnak:
2001 – Present: Gulf Coast Community College
Panama City, FL
Vice President, Administrative Services and Chief Business Officer
Education – University of West Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Dennis R. Harkins:
1999 – Present: Georgia Perimeter College
Decatur, GA
Provost
Education – Georgia State University, Ph.D., Education HRD
Dr. Lars A. Hafner:
2007 – Present: St. Petersburg College
St. Petersburg, FL
Provost
1998 – 2006: Senior Administrative Manager/Associate Vice President in charge
of the University Partnership Center, Government Relations,
Athletics
Education – Barry University, Ph.D., Higher Education Administration
Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow:
2007 – Present: Brevard Community College
Cocoa, FL
Vice President, Resource Development and Interim Executive
Director, BCC Foundation, Commissioner, SACS Commission on
Colleges
2005-2007: Brevard Community College
Vice President, Student Services
Education – University of Florida, Ed.D., Education
Dr. Daniel A. Bain: (not qualified)
1999 – Present: St. Louis Community College
St. Louis, MO
Director
Education – University of Missouri-St. Louis, Ph.D., Higher Education Leadership and
Policy Studies
Dr. Howard W. Smith:
1996 – Present: Pittsburg State University
Pittsburg, KS
Assistant to the President
Education – Kansas State University, Ph.D., Educational Administration
Dr. Terrance Hitchcock: (not qualified)
2004 – Present: Argosy University (on-line)
Adjunct Instructor
2000 – Present: Everyday Hero
Chairman and CEO
Bloomington, MN
Education – Woodrow Wilson College of Law, J.D., Corporate Law
Dr. Bruce H. Brunson:
1999 – Present: Florida Community College - Jacksonville
Jacksonville, FL
Executive Director, Open Campus
Education – Texas Tech University, Ph.D., Consumer Economics
Dr. Alan P. Roberts:
1989 – Present: Indian River Community College
Fort Pierce, FL
Vice President, Applied Science and Technology
Education – University of Central Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Douglas M. Littles:
2000 – Present: Reid State Technical College
Evergreen, AL
President
Education – Clark Atlanta University, Ph.D., Public Policy
Two incomplete packets were received from:
1. Dr. William L. Kibler:
2004 – Present: Mississippi State University
Mississippi State, MS
Vice President, Student Affairs
Education – Texas A&M University, Ph.D., Educational Administration
2. Dr. William J. Mariani:
2007 – Present: D'Youville College
Buffalo, NY
Associate Professor
1997 – 2007: Erie Community College
President
Education – D'Youville College, Ed.D., Educational Leadership
Summary (as of November 19, 2007)
Thirty complete application packets are on file: (these are in order that the application was received)
1. Dr. Simon Priest
2. Dr. Alan G. Phillips
3. Dr. Jeffrey A. Cantor
4. Dr. Rodger A. Bates
5. Dr. Frank R. Vivelo
6. Dr. K. K. Bentil
7. Dr. Gregory W. Gray (withdrew from consideration)
8. Dr. Raymond Cummiskey
9. Dr. David Mosby
10. Dr. Mary R. Vaughn
11. Dr. James E. Martin
12. Dr. June Linke (packet is complete – not qualified)
13. Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor
14. Dr. Charles E. Meadows
15. Dr. Diann Schindler
16. Dr. Lawrence Cox
17. Dr. William A. Nevious
18. Dr. Jan Gehler
19. Dr. Lawrence D. Spraggs
20. Dr. John R. Holdnak
21. Dr. Dennis Harkins
22. Dr. Lars A. Hafner
23. Dr. Brenda S. Fettrow
24. Dr. Daniel A. Bain (packet is complete – not qualified)
25. Dr. Maurice B. Hickey
26. Dr. Howard W. Smith
27. Dr. Terrance Hitchcock (packet is complete – not qualified)
28. Dr. Bruce Brunson
29. Dr. Alan Roberts
30. Dr. Douglas M. Littles
Eleven incomplete application packets are on file:
1. Dr. Pamella J. Dana
2. Dr. Brian Sutcliffe
3. Mr. Ken Golaszewski
4. Dr. Frank Williams
5. Dr. Martin Shapiro
6. Dr. Lewis L. Jones
7. Dr. Tricia Devin
8. Dr. Thomas C. Henry (no application materials received)
9. Dr. Hamid Eydgahi
10. Dr. William L. Kibler
11. Dr. William J. Mariani
Thursday, November 15, 2007
FLORIDA COLLEGE PRESIDENTS SCORE HIGH ON PAY
A recent St. Petersburg Times newspaper article addressed the issue of how high Florida university and college presidents' salaries are. To go directly to the article online, click the link below:
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/11/12/State/Florida_college_presi.shtml
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/11/12/State/Florida_college_presi.shtml
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
AS DEADLINE NEARS FOR FIRST VIEWING, THINGS ARE HEATING UP
Seven new complete application packets were received from:
Dr. Mary R. Vaughn:
2006 – 2007: Grambling State University
Grambling, LA
Executive Assistant to the President
Education – Tennessee State University, Ed.D., Administration and Supervision
Dr. James E. Martin:
2003 – Present: Pensacola Junior College
Pensacola, FL
Vice President, Student Affairs
Education – Bowling Green State University, Ph.D., Educational Administration and
Supervision
Dr. June Linke:
2002 – Present: Pensacola Junior College
Pensacola, FL
Academic Department Head
Education – Mississippi State University, Ph.D., Sociology
Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor:
Currently: PJYM Associates
Reston, VA
President
Education – University of Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Charles E. Meadows:
2003 – Present: Lurleen B. Wallace Community College
Andalusia, AL
President
Education – Ball State University, Ed.D., Biology
Complete applications received (continued)
Dr. Diann Schindler:
1999 – Present: Schindler and Associates, Inc.
President/CEO
1997 – 1999: Oakland Community College
Auburn Hills, MI
President
Education - University of Akron, Ph.D., Education
Dr. Lawrence Cox:
2005 – Present: Stark State College of Technology
Canton, OH
Provost
President/CEO
Education – Southern Illinois University, Ph.D., Sociology
Dr. Mary R. Vaughn:
2006 – 2007: Grambling State University
Grambling, LA
Executive Assistant to the President
Education – Tennessee State University, Ed.D., Administration and Supervision
Dr. James E. Martin:
2003 – Present: Pensacola Junior College
Pensacola, FL
Vice President, Student Affairs
Education – Bowling Green State University, Ph.D., Educational Administration and
Supervision
Dr. June Linke:
2002 – Present: Pensacola Junior College
Pensacola, FL
Academic Department Head
Education – Mississippi State University, Ph.D., Sociology
Dr. Jacquelyn Madry-Taylor:
Currently: PJYM Associates
Reston, VA
President
Education – University of Florida, Ed.D., Curriculum and Instruction
Dr. Charles E. Meadows:
2003 – Present: Lurleen B. Wallace Community College
Andalusia, AL
President
Education – Ball State University, Ed.D., Biology
Complete applications received (continued)
Dr. Diann Schindler:
1999 – Present: Schindler and Associates, Inc.
President/CEO
1997 – 1999: Oakland Community College
Auburn Hills, MI
President
Education - University of Akron, Ph.D., Education
Dr. Lawrence Cox:
2005 – Present: Stark State College of Technology
Canton, OH
Provost
President/CEO
Education – Southern Illinois University, Ph.D., Sociology
Monday, November 5, 2007
TWO MORE CANDIDATES SUBMIT APPLICATIONS
Dr. Raymond Cummiskey:
2004 - Present – Southeastern Illinois College
Harrisburg, IL
President
Education - University of Missouri-Kansas City, Ph.D., Educational Administration
Dr. David C. Mosby:
1999 – Present: Prince George's Community College
Dean of Facilities Management
Largo, MD
Education – Morgan State University, Ed.D., Community College Leadership
2004 - Present – Southeastern Illinois College
Harrisburg, IL
President
Education - University of Missouri-Kansas City, Ph.D., Educational Administration
Dr. David C. Mosby:
1999 – Present: Prince George's Community College
Dean of Facilities Management
Largo, MD
Education – Morgan State University, Ed.D., Community College Leadership
Friday, November 2, 2007
WILL PJC's NEW PRESIDENT'S SALARY RANK 20TH IN THE STATE?
During the open forum at the Milton campus, the topic of salaries was raised. I would very much urge the new president to make a commitment to raising faculty salaries. The 5% raise this year (2007) and the 4% raise in 2006 were greatly needed, but failed to adequately address the issue of fair compensation.
The salary article of the PJC collective bargaining agreement contains a commitment to increase faculty salaries to be within the top 20% of salaries for Florida’s junior and community colleges. That goal should put PJC’s average salary at about the 5th or 6th position in ranking. In the fall of 2000, PJC reached the 10th ranking. According to the Florida Community College System Fact Book, as of the Fall 2006 semester, PJC faculty’s average salary was ranked 20th out of 28 community colleges - approximately $6500 below the state average. In seven years, PJC has dropped ten positions in salary ranking rather than climb to number 5 or 6.
We are in a competitive environment. As the presidential search takes place, we know we have to offer a salary that will attract the best. Will the best apply for the president’s position if the salary offered is ranked 20th in the state? Certainly not. How can PJC attract the best instructors by offering such a low salary? We can't.
I urge the Presidential Screening Committee to select candidates for consideration who will develop a plan to fulfill the commitment to increase faculty salaries to be within the top 20% of Florida’s community colleges. A commitment without a plan has been proven to be no commitment at all.
The salary article of the PJC collective bargaining agreement contains a commitment to increase faculty salaries to be within the top 20% of salaries for Florida’s junior and community colleges. That goal should put PJC’s average salary at about the 5th or 6th position in ranking. In the fall of 2000, PJC reached the 10th ranking. According to the Florida Community College System Fact Book, as of the Fall 2006 semester, PJC faculty’s average salary was ranked 20th out of 28 community colleges - approximately $6500 below the state average. In seven years, PJC has dropped ten positions in salary ranking rather than climb to number 5 or 6.
We are in a competitive environment. As the presidential search takes place, we know we have to offer a salary that will attract the best. Will the best apply for the president’s position if the salary offered is ranked 20th in the state? Certainly not. How can PJC attract the best instructors by offering such a low salary? We can't.
I urge the Presidential Screening Committee to select candidates for consideration who will develop a plan to fulfill the commitment to increase faculty salaries to be within the top 20% of Florida’s community colleges. A commitment without a plan has been proven to be no commitment at all.
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